i believe obama and mr. biden, vice president, give the people in that desperational need that hope. >> you've had times in your life where you've had absolutely nothing, no money, no hope, nothing. you've had times in your life when you've had hundreds of millions of dollars, then you lost it, now you're getting back there again. tell me about what the difference is, psychologically, when you have nothing, when you have money. where is real happiness throughout that process? >> real -- from my perspective, i can only tell you as you're asking me, from my ordeals in life and challenges, it all comes from the inside. i never had any happiness, that's how come i was chaotic. i was addicted to chaos. i was looking for happiness on the outside somewhere and it really doesn't exist out there. so it has to be within. it's mostly an inside job. i learned all this stuff when i went to my rehab, my rehab stint, i got involved in the recovery program, and i realized that this is what happiness is, what we make out of